tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2865033892051180248.post6722340507313957423..comments2024-01-09T08:16:24.427-06:00Comments on Recondite Baseball: Vulture WinsTheron Schultzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15337426180976322059noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2865033892051180248.post-4133249641251865472008-07-23T09:55:00.000-05:002008-07-23T09:55:00.000-05:00I understand the argument for separating blown sav...I understand the argument for separating blown save wins (BS wins?) off from the rest of vulture wins. If you do that, then Tom Gordon, Todd Jones (even though he's been a closer this year), Rudy Seanez, and Scot Shields are the only pitchers with four or more vulture wins. Salomon Torres, Jamey Wright, Joaquin Benoit, Bobby Howry, Jonathan Papelbon, George Sherrill, Matt Thornton, and Jose Valverde move off the 3+ VW list. Philly still leads with 19 vulture wins nabbed by its pitchers.<BR/><BR/>Jamey Wright surprisingly is atop the BS Win category with 3. Kevin Gregg, Jon Rauch, Salomon Torres, Joaquin Benoit, Jose Valverde, and Matt Capps have 2. Texas has the most team blown save wins by its pitchers with 6, while Milwaukee and St. Louis are tied for the NL lead with four.Theron Schultzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15337426180976322059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2865033892051180248.post-31134373887131691022008-07-23T07:18:00.000-05:002008-07-23T07:18:00.000-05:00Great research! I am definitely not surprised to ...Great research! I am definitely not surprised to see a team like my Blue Jays near the bottom of the 2008 vulture win standings. When you have someone like Halliday leading MLB in complete games, plus the division K leader in Burnett (for now), opportunities for VW are reduced.<BR/><BR/>Notice that there is somewhat of a correlation between low VW and overall W-L performance.<BR/><BR/>In general, though, the operative words for describing VWs are "undeserved" and "opportunistic". The classic VW is when a reliever comes in during the top of the 9th of a tied game. He throws one pitch for the 3rd out, and then get a win when the home team generates the winning run in the bottom of the 9th.<BR/><BR/>I really think there has to be a different category for pitchers who blow a lead or save, and then get the win when their team pulls it out for the hapless reliever. Maybe something like "Blown Win" would apply.<BR/><BR/>VWs even have a parallel in the workplace. You spend a lot of time generating a sale, and then the account rep swoops in with the paperwork to get the credit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com